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Hello!

I´m not quite sure, but the card goes to an adress in Schweinfurt (Bavaria) Schweinfurt is 40km from Würzburg.

In Würzburg we had the Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon Würzburg (b.II.7). And this bataillon was under command of the General-Gouvernement Belgien.

The card came from Bruxelles (Belgium).

So I assume these men are from the mentioned Landsturm-Bataillon.

I don´t know why they have the 7 upon their shoulder straps, but it fits to the unit!

 

Thank you very much for your explanations

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Hello Andrew!

The 88 indicates the 88th Inf.Brig. in Chemnitz/Saxony.

The Bezirks-Kommandos were in Glauchau and Rochlitz.

After the new naming of the Landsturm-Bataillons, he could serve with:

XIX.10 Chemnitz

XIX.11 Chemnitz

XIX.13 Chemnitz

XIX.20 Rochlitz

XIX.22 Chemnitz

XIX.29 Chemnitz

 

The casualty lists have found three Emil Colditz from Saxony:

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6233367 (no rank, no year of birth; just the place of birth. Lößnitz, 15km from Chemnitz)

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/4877784 (no rank, born 1875 near Glauchau, so he was 40 in 1915)

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/6172423 (no rank, no year of birth, just the place of birth. Meinersdorf, near Chemnitz)

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Thanks, Andreas!

I assume "mine" Emil Kolditz is the second person from your shortlist.

 

Here's a CDV of Emil Kolditz taken during his active service. Absence of the Imperial cockade on his non-regulation Schirmmütze indicates the photo was made before 1897. BUT: please note date stamped on the back of this CDV: 28.01.1908 / 11.02.1908. How could it be???

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Hello Andrew!

It´s hard to say, in which company he served, but because of the "colours" I agree with "red-yellow-red" (10th comp.)

The photo was taken before 1897. That´s a fact. The stamps of 1908 indicates, that two more copies were made in january and february 1908 or one copy was ordered in january and was finished in february.

Note that the word "Original" was crossed-out. That means, we have a copy of the original.

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This photographic postcard shows a Gefreiter (Lance-Corporal) and two Landsturmänner from an as yet unidentified Württemberg Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon, specifically one of the three raised in August 1914 within the boundaries the 51. (1. Königlich Württembergische) Infanterie-Brigade-Bezirk (Infantry Brigade District), one of the territorial sub-divisions of the XIII. (Königlich Württembergisches) Armee-Korps-Bezirk. The men here wear the varied mixture of full-dress Dunkelblau items and old pattern blue or grey undress blouses which was typical for many Landsturm units at the beginning of the war.

 

In lieu of the Landsturm’s distinctive Wachstuchmütze (either the Model 1813 in black oilcloth, or Model 1914 in field-grey oilcloth), or any of the other myriad of shakos, peaked caps and pickelhauben authorised for Landsturm units, all three men wear the Model 1867 Feldmütze für Mannschaften. However, these men’s field-caps bear the standard Württemberg Landeskokarde, rather than the correct Reserve and Landwehr version (which had the ‘Landwehr Cross’ superimposed).

 

The Lance-Corporal and man in the centre wear the old blue, four-pocket Model 1900 Litewka für Mannschaften (Other Ranks’ undress working blouse), while the man on the right wears the light-grey, two-pocket version introduced in 1903. With the introduction of the feldgrau uniform after 1907 to the active army, Litewken were withdrawn from service, only to be issued to the Landwehr and Landsturm in 1914. All three men wear the Model 1895 blue-black trousers with scarlet piping, although instead of the marching boots of the Landsturmänner, the Gefreiter wears riding boots, usually indicative of mounted troops. Equipment-wise, all three wear the standard field-belt, with Württemberg belt buckle, while the Lance-Corporal and Landsturm man on the right carry the obsolete Model 1871 Infanterie-Seitengewehr.

 

The insignia worn includes the red collar patches and plain blue shoulder-straps of Landsturm infantry, and, most interestingly, a variation on the scheme of collar insignia worn by the Landsturm until Spring 1915. This insignia officially consisted of brass Arabic numerals worn on the collar patch, each showing, in the case of Landsturm infantry, the number of the parent infantry brigade in whose district the battalion had been raised. However, for these troops of one of the three battalion raised within the bounds of 51. (1. Königlich Württembergische) Infanterie-Brigade-Bezirk, only one full number has been issued: instead of a brass ‘51’ on each patch, the result is a ‘5’ on one patch, and a ‘1’ on the other.

 

Although the three Landsturm battalion 51st Infantry Brigade District wore that Brigade’s insignia, each battalion was actually raised and administered by one of the three Landwehr-Bezirke comprising the Brigade District. Moreover, each battalion bore the geographical designation of its parent Landwehr District as part of its title: thus, the men in this photograph are either from württ. Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon Calw, württ. Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon Horb, or württ. Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon Rottweil.

 

The message on the reverse of the postcard is dated 30th May 1915, and may shed some light on the troops portrayed. Is there anyone able to read and translate Deutsche Kurrentschrift??

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Hello cmf!

That is a perfrect destription of the Landsturm! Chapeau!!!

The photo is interesting. I´ve never seen collar numbers like that before! It´s clear that it means Ldw.Brig.51. But a 5 and a 1 upon different collars are new to me!

You are right with the Bezirks-Kommandos. Not that Rottweil belonged in the peace-time to the 26.Kav.Brig.

 

Unfortunately I´m not able to read the text...

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Thanks Andy!!

 

It was a surprise for me to come across this type of collar insignia too, but it was fun doing the research!! Old German script really is impenetrable!! :dash1:

 

Chris

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Групповая фотография, сделанная в фотоателье В. (Вильгельма-?) Штрубе (W.Strube) в саксонском г.Лёбау (Löbau).

Надпись на табличке гласит: "Landsturm I Korp[oralschaft] 22.9.15".

 

Корпоральшафт (Korporalschaft, ранее – Corporalschaft) - это традиционная для германских армий казарменная единица численностью 30 человек, которую можно попытаться неуклюже перевести как “капральство”, являлась составной частью роты (Unterabtheilung der Compagnie für den innern Dienst) и примерно соответствовала отделению. Обычно им командовали унтер-офицеры без темляка – унтерофициры, реже сержанты, но в отдельных случаях допускались и гефрайтеры.

 

Что же за подразделение перед нами?

Предположу, что это чины 2-го запасного батальона (2.Ersatz-Bataillon) пехотного полка № 102, который был сформирован в связи с началом войны 21 февраля 1915 года как раз в Лёбау.

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В центре мы как раз видим гефрайтера с погонами Королевства Саксонии 3-го пехотного Короля Людвига III Баварского полка № 102 (Königlich Sächsisches 3.Infanterie-Regiment König Ludwig III von Bayern Nr.102), который на начало войны квартировался в саксонском городе Циттау (Zittau) и входил в состав XII армейского корпуса.

Погон у гефрайтера такой, как представлен на открытке из Сети.

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Фрагменты с ополченцами в характерных клеенчатых фуражках.

 

На обеих сторонах воротника прикреплены металлические шифровки, обозначавшие номер бригады арабскими цифрами: “7”. Нумерация соответствовала номерам бригад армейского корпуса мирного времени. Эта шифровка указывала лишь на номер бригады, к которой батальон Ландштурма относился изначально, и будучи позже приданным другому подразделению, например, смешанной бригаде Ландвера, батальон сохранял старые петличные обозначения. Подобные шифровки были отменены приказом от 14 апреля 1915 г. Тем не менее, их ношение еще продолжалось некоторое время. Фотография, кстати, сделана 17 апреля 1915 г. - буквально через три дня после отмены этих шифровок!

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Похоже, перед нами мушкетир из Генерал-фельдцейхмайстера полка пешей артиллерии (бранденбургского) № 3 (Fußartillerie-Regiment General-Feldzeugmeister (Brandenburgisches) Nr.3).

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Оборот фотографии с текстом письма, прошедшего почту.

Что мы тут видим:

Письмо написано 17 апреля 1915 года.

Отправитель: Теодор Витльманн (Theodor Witlmann). Место службы указано как "4./5.I.R.", то есть 4-я рота Королевства Баварии 5-го пехотного Великого герцога Эрнста Людвига Гессенского полка (Königlich Bayerisches 5.Infanterie-Regiment Großherzog Ernst Ludwig von Hessen).

На тот момент он пребывал в медицинской школе, расположенной по адресу: Вюрцбург, Целлерштрассе, дом 12 (zur Zeit Sanitätsschule, Würzburg Zellerstraße 12).

Получатели: Herrn und Frau Eisenbahnsekretär J.Barth, Reuth / bei Erbendorf, Oberpfalz, Hof-Wiesau-Regensburg.

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В паре с этой фотографией шел конверт с соболезнованиями по случаю гибели.

 

Feldpost / Полевая почта.

Получатель: Herr J.C.Barth, Drahthammer, Reuth bei Erbendorf.

Штемпель: Lager Grafenwöhr, 17 марта 1915 г.

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